KELLY WAYNE: Things are going really well. We’re getting lots of interest in our music. People seem to like our tunes, so that’s exciting. We also both have a lot going on in our private lives. My wife and I have a 5 month old little girl, Cole is getting married on May 11th—the day after our album releases, actually. So, yeah, we’re super busy, but busy is good.
Can you talk to us more about your latest single “Saint”?
KELLY WAYNE: Sure—yeah, so, Saint was one of the first songs written for this record, and it’s always been a favorite of ours. I think of all the tracks, it’s got the most grit. We arranged it to give everyone a spot to shine. It’s in a really good key for us, and all the guys knocked it out of the park. Not many new indie bands out there have the level of talent across every instrument that we have, and we really show off in Saint. I may be biased, but I think it’s a really cool song.
COLE: It’s a great song, everyone go listen to it. It has the coolest violin solo ever, no exaggeration. People tend to think it’s electric guitar. I don’t correct them.
Did any event in particular inspire you to write this song?
KELLY WAYNE: I don’t know that it was any one event in particular. It’s just, we’re living in this really weird time where everything is hyper-politicized. Like, we can’t seem to get along with anyone. We’ve forgotten how to be civil, debate things, be receptive to one another, and be accepting of different viewpoints. We’d prefer to crucify someone on social media for attacking one of our culture’s sacred cows than to hear them out with an open mind, and argue honestly if we have disagreements. So instead of treating people with kindness, and honestly trying to relate to one another, there’s this disturbing tendency to label anyone who goes against the prevailing narrative as crazy, or worse. It’s really a dangerous path we’re going down.
Any plans to release a video for the single?
KELLY WAYNE: I think we’d like to eventually have a video for every song we release. The vision I have for the Saint video would be a big production, and I don’t want to do that halfway. Our fans deserve better. We’ll just have to see how album sales go, and if we can sell enough records to finance it, the videos will come.
The single comes off your new album The Rope & The Rabbit – what’s the story behind the title?
COLE: The name came out of a night where Kelly and I were brainstorming and talking out concepts within songs and basically organizing the art into a framework that made sense to us. Kelly had written both “Rabbit Hole” and “The Rope” and these songs both seemed to underpin the thread that runs through the whole damn thing. Conceptually it really works because of what the album is about but I don’t want to talk about that. I prefer applicability as compared to allegory and someone may get an application from the ideas in this music that we didn’t foresee, and I’d hate to restrict that possibility.
KELLY WAYNE: Yeah, but in a nutshell, that metaphor, to me anyway, is about demanding more of yourself—survive and thrive kinda thing. Overcome what holds you back, chase after truth, and be an uncompromising individual. Be confident in who you are, and have reason to be, y’know? But to Cole’s point, it’s art, so the meaning is co-created with every person that interacts with it. We don’t want to tell you what to think about it, we just hope you’ll listen.
How was the recording and writing process?
COLE: Kelly pretty much wrote the whole album so he’s more equipped for that answer but recording was definitely a fever dream of good people and good music that came together in such an unreal fashion. The whole album was recorded in 6 days.
KELLY WAYNE: The writing process was pretty crazy. So, I had a handful of songs that were 80%-90% ready, and when I first approached our producer, David Beck, that’s all I had, and I was just looking to make an EP. He pushed me to write a full-length record, and I wrote the rest of it in like 3 weeks’ time. My buddy TJ helped me write “Leave It Alone”, so that helped, but I was writing deep into the night, every night, for weeks. It was liberating though. I got a lot out of that. And David helped me put it all together. I really can’t say enough about David. From start-to-finish, actually, the whole crew has just been incredible—Cole, Eric, Anthony, Craig, David, Dees—Every one of these guys is a professional, so the recording part was all just us having fun doing our craft. We’re all friends, so there was never even a hint of drama or anything like that. It was great.
What is it about the 70s that you find so fascinating?
COLE: Hmmm. No Cell Phones.
KELLY WAYNE: I guess I really find all of history fascinating. I’m a huge history buff. In terms of rock-n-roll history, though, the 70s was a huge decade. 8-track tapes and whatnot. (haha) I mean, the 70s brought us Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, so what’s not to like? One of the most vivid memories from my childhood, actually, is riding with my Dad in his farm truck, checking cows, listening to Tom Petty. Like I can feel the sun on my arm, bouncing around on that bench seat every time I hear “Into the Great Wide Open.” I can smell the Copenhagen and range cubes, even. It’s so cool how music has that power…
What role does Texas play in your music?
COLE: Well since we live here and both grew up here it’s hard to isolate Texas from any part of this project. Texas has influence on the music in many ways that we can see and in many more that we cannot. It’s beautiful country.
KELLY WAYNE: Yeah, that’s a good point. Fans tell us about this southern character our music has, but that’s not something we set out to do. I guess it’s just naturally part of who we are. Eric is actually the only one of us who didn’t grow up in Texas. He’s from New York. He gives us hell about being southerners, and we give it right back to him about being a Yankee. (Haha) It all works out. But yeah, Texas is our home.
What aspect of living life to the fullest did you get to explore on this record?
KELLY WAYNE: It’s hard to say. A lot of the writing I did had to do with this process I was going through at the time, a process Jordan Peterson calls “burning off the dead wood.” So this whole project happened at a pivotal time in my life where I really got organized and productive in my thoughts, and really shifted my focus to the things that are most important in my life. I see that as a sort of first step toward fulfillment.
Where else did you find the inspiration for the songs and lyrics?
KELLY WAYNE: In lots of places, really. Mostly books, I think. General Butler is this kind of reggae song about the book “War is a Racket” by Smedley Butler. The guy was a major general in the Marine Corps during World War I and later wrote this book that just blew the whistle on the whole Military-Industrial complex. Talk about someone who values truth over popularity. But yeah, tons of what I write about has to do with books I’ve read on all kinds stuff—history, philosophy, economics… I sort of focus in on an idea and then get loose and creative with it. Left and right brain working together.
Any plans to hit the road?
COLE: Not unless I fall out of my truck (haha).
KELLY WAYNE: Haha! Not really, at least not right now. If we have fans in a certain area who really want to see us play, we would definitely put something together for them and do a run. We take a different approach, I guess. The fact is that everyone is online; so we can use those tools to get in front of our fans and if things get to a certain point where touring makes sense, we’re not opposed to it. We love playing together. It just doesn’t make sense for us until we know where all our fans are.
What else is happening next in Owen-Glass’ world?
COLE: “The Rope and The Rabbit” is definitely the primary focus and will be for a while. But I can’t deny there have been ideas and discussions for… the… future. You can tell the readers that I did a sexy wink here.
KELLY WAYNE: Right now, we’re working on our store, getting merch ready for the release. We’ve also done a few video shoots and have more planned. Like I said, we’d like to have videos for all our music. That’s the way things seem to be going, and we have a lot of fun doing that. In the background, we’re all really looking forward to making another record sometime in the future. Not sure when that will happen yet, but we’re still excited about this release, so this is our focus.